but i saw jimmy carter yesterday, who helped you an awful lot in your book. and he's been known to not be a joiner, to sometimes be a bit morose. he seemed to be in really good spirits. i don't know if you saw the images yesterday. but he seemed to be in really good spirits yesterday. >> and he was the senior president on the platform there, because george herbert walker bush wasn't there. and he also was elected the president of the united states. he can be charming. it's not in his nature, but he can do it. he plaid the role of senior sort of president yesterday and i think he probably enjoyed that. and it was, of course, a festive moment. >> remember, also, there was a lot in that speech that carter would like. president carter was the first american president to really make a push on the environment, on environmental reform, famously put solar panels on the white house, that ronald reagan later tore down. but jimmy carter's vision of government is getting a little bit more of a second chance, i think, with obama's second speech. >> reaffirmed, perhaps, ev